NOTE:  For some reason, the part at the start where Laura compliments me
for my service to my country as a Marine Corps officer, where I correct her
when she says I was a 2nd Lt. and I explain I was a Captain before I got out
and went to graduate school, has been omitted here.  And very early on, I
drew an analogy with Consumer Reports, suggesting that we are doing for 
The 9/11 Commission Report what that publication does for automobiles
and  such.  It is interesting to me that that nice parallel was also omitted.

Laura Ingraham Promo for Segment begins at 55:40 
"My face off with Professor Fetzer"

Segment Interview Begins 57:00 into the file.

I: Briefly lay out your theory and what happened.

F: (opens): We've got a great story here. I mean it combines horror, heroism,
violence, everything but sex. The question that concerns us is whether or not
it's true. 

The government has told us that 19 Islamic fundamentalists hijacked these four aircraft and performed all these feats under the control of a man in a cave off in Afghanistan. Now that, of course, is itself a conspiracy theory, which many people tend to overlook. 

So what we have been doing, since we find it rather implausible that these guys could have outfoxed the most sophisticated air defense system in the world, for example, or even gained access to those aircraft given that their names appear on no flight manifests, and you have to show IDs and have seating assignments, we have no evidence that they actually were on the plane. 

So what we're looking at are those anchors, those threads, that anchor the government's theory to the world, to see if they're real, in other words, to
see if this theory corresponds to reality. Take for example in Pennsylvania, we have these cell phone calls that are alleged to have been made, and an audiotape that was introduced in the trial of Zacarius Moussaoui. . . .

Now one of our Professors who is a professor of computer science at Western Ontario has flown around the country with different types of cell phones, and he's discovered that at altitudes above 2000 ft. and speeds above 230 mph they become fewer and farther between, and that at the altitudes these calls were supposed to have been made, they would have been impossible. (cut off)

Ingraham:  For your theory to be true, you would have had to have had to have a real conspiracy among NYPD, NYFD, CIA, FBI, Congress, Bin Laden, and most of the American media. Do you think that's really possible?

F: Critics of the theory. We're critics of the government's theory. We're not
offering a theory. We're critics of the government's theory. We're taking the
government's hypothesis at face value and deducing what must be true if the
government's hypothesis were true, and what we're finding is all these little
threads that link it to the world, by cell phones, and audiotape, by video clips at the Pentagon, passenger manifests, autopsy reports don't exist . . . (interrupted).

I: Asks about WTC towers controlled demolition theory. I've read the analysis as to why they came down. You think it's controlled demolition. That's just loony tunes stuff.

F: I'm sorry, it's not. It's the only account that's consistent with the
evidence.  If you look at The 911 Commission Report, it says the South Tower, for example, came down in 10 seconds, and the North Tower came down in about 11. It also says that it came down in a pancaking effect. It also says the collapse was (interrupted). . . Those things don't add up together (interrupted)

F: That building was very sophisticated. Frank DeMartini, for example, who was the project manager, said that the load redistribution capabilities of those towers was so sophisticated that even the impact of multiple aircraft would be analogous to sticking pencils through mosquito netting (interrupted)

I: They could never fall down. No number of aircrafts could bring the buildings down. Is that the theory? I don't understand how you go from philosophy professor to structural engineer.

F: There were only two planes. You don't understand. Do you realize that those buildings are blowing from the top down? Judy Wood, who is a mechanical engineer and structural materials expert, has paralleled it with trees turning into sawdust from the top down. Now, there‚s no way that can be explained from the government's account. They're turning into sawdust from the top down!

I: You're saying is that the government had somebody fly the planes into the
Twin Towers and into the Pentagon so we could cook up a clash of civilizations-type of epic battle that would sustain us throughout the generations, is that your theory? We got into this so we could . . . 

F: No, is that your theory, Laura?  Because you're not allowing me (interrupted) 

I: You are questioning planes flying into buildings and you're accusing
essentially by implication our government of mass murder. As a professor at a major American university, professor, I think you should be ashamed of yourself (interrupted)

F: I'm not happy about it (interrupted) 

I: You should be ashamed of yourself, because this is such garbage, and you know what it does, professor? It posits absurd theories and ties people up and twists them up into knots of conspiracy-minded plots and theories that takes us away from the hard work of actually coming together to fight a real threat that still looms out there against the United States which is Islamic fascism. Professors should unite against the Islamic fascists who are trying to take down, frankly, your right to speak out. We let you speak out, the Islamic fascists won't.

F: You're not letting me speak out, Laura. You're monopolizing this conversation. (interrupted)

I: You're on a national radio show even though you don't deserve to be one on [sic], so (interrupted)

F: Do you think Brett Farve would take the Green Bay Packers and let them
rehearse out in front of the Bears, the Dolphins, the Cowboys? These guys were very open, they let everyone out there know they were taking flight training.  Why are none of their names on the flight manifests?  These guys couldn't have flown the planes, Laura.  Five, six or seven have turned up alive and well and living (interrupted)

I: What are you talking about that they weren't on the flight manifests?
Mohammed Atta is seen checking in in security cameras when he was going through the airport. You see him actually checking in going through the security outposts there, so what are you talking about? He's not on the manifests. Do you guys sit up all night concocting ways to trash your own country and government? This is what I don‚t understand. You guys, you professors, have too much time on your hands.

F: You have no idea when that film was taken.

I: Oh, my God!

F: Please, let me ask you this Laura. You said about the Pentagon. Why isn't the Boeing 757 visible in the tapes the Pentagon has just released? Look at them.  Even Bill O‚Reilly admitted when he looked at these tapes which he thought were going to lay "the conspiracy theorists"--as he calls the critics of the government's conspiracy theory--to rest, but he had to admit when he looked at them that there's no plane there. But Laura, there should be a plane there. Absence of evidence is not always evidence (interrupted)

I: What happened to that flight then that was on its way to Los Angeles, if it
wasn't the plane that went into the Pentagon? Where did that plane go?

F: Well, actually Flight 77 goes off of the radar screen in the vicinity of the
Kentucky/Ohio border which is very mysterious. (interrupted) 

I: So you think it could be in Kentucky or Ohio?

F: Did you know that Dick Cheney gave a stand down order not to shoot down the plane as it was approaching, that Norman Mineta heard and observed and reported  to the 911 Commission but they left it out of their report? 

I: As a former Marine that you are, to me I‚m flabbergasted that someone who served in the Marine Corps could even get his mind around these theories, but my question to you is, at the 9/11 truth big convention in Chicago earlier this month, there was an individual name Hoomook who has lived on and off in a cave for the last 15 years and he's one of the guys who is involved in your organization.  Are you familiar with Hoomook?

F: Well, I don't think he's a member of Scholars and he has a degree from MIT (interrupted)

I: And he supports your theory, and he lives in a cave.

F: Laura, he has a degree from MIT, for crying out loud. 

I: You know who else did, the Unabomber. He had a number of degrees under his belt, too, didn't he?

F: Well, I don't think this guy is bombing any buildings unlike it appears our
government may have done.  I can't imagine anything less patriotic than
accepting lies from our government.  Do you believe everything our government tells us, Laura? 

I: I never said I did, but I don't actually think that when we have thousands of
eyewitnesses to jetliners going into buildings and thousands of eyewitnesses who were in Washington like I was when the Pentagon was hit, that you can then, from that very large database of evidentiary information say, well, gosh, this can't be? This can't be that these people actually penetrated our security and our planes, so our government must be responsible. Was our government responsible, professor, for the bombing of the embassies in Tanzania and Kenya? Were we responsible for that?

F: Laura, you aren't paying attention. The fire chiefs who went in there
admitted (interrupted) there were no parts of Boeing 757, there wasn't a tail,
the wings, the engine, the seats, the bodies, the luggage, none of it was there. 

F: There wasn't any evidence of the plane in the Pentagon.

I: Actually the Secretary of Defense has a piece of the plane in his office,
okay? You should probably go back to your little research cave and find that
out. He has a piece of it in his office. I've been to his office, okay, so there
is [sic] some pieces of the plane. Obviously it hit the building at what 600
mph, you know you're a philosophy professor but it doesn't take a structural
engineer to know that things disintegrate.

F: The clear smooth lawn is the smoking gun at the Pentagon.  If the plane had come in the way you are describing it, it would have plowed up the lawn, if it came down at an angle there would have been a huge crater.  It's not even on the tapes. There are more than 80 tapes, Laura, why hasn't the Pentagon released them unless they're trying to conceal something? 

I: We can‚t believe you have these theories. This has been an interesting
conversation, and I celebrate your service to this country in the Marine Corps, that is a wonderful thing. I'm going to go through a list of things, and 
I want you to tell me whether they happened or not. Number one. The USS Cole Bombing, did it happen, yes or no?

F: Sure.

I: Was the government responsible, or Islamic terrorists responsible?

F: Islamic terrorists, so far as I know.

I: The Kenya and Tanzania embassy bombings. Did the United States or the terrorists carry out those bombings?

F: Probably terrorists.

I: The Achillie Lauro--was the United States or terrorists responsible for that?

F: So far as I know, terrorists.

I: Brad and Jennifer, were they ever married?

F: (Laughs) Laura send everyone to st911.org to find all the studies that verify everything I'm saying, you're great (interrupted)

I: You're a lot of fun.

Taped male sound:  "The nutty professor."
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